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Feds raid gun parts stores despite court order

SAN DIEGO – With a search warrant in hand, federal agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives confiscated computers, customer lists and the questionable polymer 80 percent lower receivers from four Ares Armor store locations throughout San Diego County over the weekend.

“There were women and children inside our retail establishment when the (ATF) agents came in with guns drawn,” said Ares Armor Executive Officer Dimitrios Karras. “They came into our manufacturing facility with their guns up like they were invading Iraq.”

The raid happened three days after Ares owner was granted a temporary restraining by a judge to stop ATF agents from searching their stores.

The ATF confirmed they were investigating the stores for federal firearm violations.

The case stems from the sale of what is called an 80% lower receiver, which gun enthusiast use to build their own rifles and guns.

Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal.   The polymer lower receiver appears to be manufactured differently with two parts, making them a firearm and illegal sell, according to the ATF.

“We did ask the court to clarify if these things were firearms or not,” said Karras. “We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system.”

Karras said they had their polymer lower receivers locked in a closet ready to turn over to the ATF since Wednesday.  He was more concerned about the federal agents taking lists of his customers’ information.

“If anybody is a criminal organization that should be investigated, I think they should look in the mirror. We gave them a black eye publicly,” Karras said. “They tried to do an underhanded deal with us. They said, ‘Hey hush, hush. Keep it secret and nobody’s going to know that we took the customer list from you. Nobody’s going to know we took this from you.’”

The investigation has some customers nervous about their right to bear arms.

“I’m on that list, and I’m waiting for the knock on the door to tell me they are here to remove my second amendment rights,” one customer told Fox 5.

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176 Comments to “Feds raid gun parts stores despite court order”

    Bowler's Desk San Diego News said:
    March 18, 2014 at 4:02 AM

    Reblogged this on San Diego News – Bowler's Desk and commented:
    Feds raid gun parts stores despite court order

      percy said:
      March 19, 2014 at 7:29 AM

      I guess they thought the store was run by Holder and B.O. Plenty.

    David Powell said:
    March 18, 2014 at 6:41 AM

    "Building a rifle with specific versions of the 80 percent receivers is legal if it has a serial number."

    Hey Fox News San Diego, you may want to do some REAL investigative journalism because you DO NOT need a serial number to build your own firearm, this is according to the ATF.

      Curtis said:
      March 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM

      And this is why we have anti-gun advocacy because the world is uneducated and afraid of rumors.

        jo gregg said:
        March 19, 2014 at 5:35 AM

        Anti-gun advocacy has little to do with any supposed fear of rumors. It is much more about acceptance of the always failed notion, that it is safe to turn your liberties over to a tiny group of politicians.

      Misha DiBono said:
      March 18, 2014 at 10:39 AM

      That is correct and that is what I reported, thanks for catching the mistake in the transcription! It is corrected. Thank you.

        George N. Weezie said:
        March 19, 2014 at 5:52 AM

        I absolutely LOVE the fact that you admitted the mistake and corrected the copy. You are a rare breed. Thank you for exhibiting journalistic integrity. I thought that was a concept that died long ago.

        eleventyeight said:
        March 19, 2014 at 11:30 PM

        Good for you!

        More people with your eye for journalism could make a great difference in our nation :-)

    Guest said:
    March 18, 2014 at 8:31 AM

    Time for Americans to impose tax sanctions against the Feds until they are in compliance with American law.

      GoNavy said:
      March 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM

      Time for Americans to be ready do defend themselves, by force if necessary, against ATF thugs breaking the law.

        NoViolenceNecessary said:
        March 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

        I like the idea of sanctions. Suicide is not an option. No pay = no jobs = no one bothering me.

    Normal Guy said:
    March 18, 2014 at 9:26 AM

    Powell is 100% correct. You build it yourself and no serial number required.

    Rick said:
    March 18, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Thanks for following this story Fox 5! This agency is dangerously out of line and these agents need to be held responsible for their thuggish tatics. This needs to be a national story as well! :-(.

      MedicineBowCO said:
      March 19, 2014 at 1:16 PM

      All of the agents carrying out this raid must be brought to justice as well as their superiors. They have taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution. They have violated that oath in such a manner that the illegitimacy of such an order is unambiguous

      Mel said:
      March 20, 2014 at 8:03 AM

      Remember Waco? Federal thugs out of control under Obama

    Steveaz said:
    March 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    There's more to that story – http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/foghorn/

      JayHobeSound said:
      March 18, 2014 at 1:12 PM

      Thx for posting the link – spot on, mate – there *is* more to this story than it seems from this news station. Cheers.

        George N. Weezie said:
        March 19, 2014 at 6:00 AM

        You people seem to miss a greater point here. None of these laws that are at issue are even legal themselves. We are splitting hairs over definitions. In the US, the lower receiver is the "firearm". In Europe, the upper receiver is the "firearm". It's just an issue of semantics. Having said that, every one of the 50,000+ civilian disarmament "laws" in the US are unconstitutional and thus null and void. Gun prohibition works as well as drug and alcohol prohibition which is to say not at all.

    Randy said:
    March 18, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    There the ATF they think they are above a court order.

    david said:
    March 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    so Judge – order the ATF agents arrested for contempt of court – obviously a danger to the community so NO BOND – like thats ever gonna happen…

    JayHobeSound said:
    March 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM

    If the ATF was after the specific polymer parts, how are they justified in seizing the store owner's computers, customer lists, etc.?!

    cmnsens said:
    March 18, 2014 at 5:57 PM

    So, let me get this straight. The BATFE can sell weapons to the drug cartels, but a legal gun store can't sell gun parts to American citizens????WTF I there was a TRO against the BATFE, how did they get warrants to raid the business? Politics at it's worst. Nazi Germany comes to mind……

      George N. Weezie said:
      March 19, 2014 at 6:07 AM

      The judge rescinded his TRO because of pressure from the DOJ. It's all smoke and mirrors and BS. We now live under an extremely violent government that has taken on all the major signs and symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

      Libertyfellow said:
      March 19, 2014 at 7:36 AM

      The American gestapo has arrived.

    MAHB001 said:
    March 18, 2014 at 6:23 PM

    What do you want to bet that Holder solves this before he finds out who is guilty in the IRS scandal?

    Leosupporter123 said:
    March 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

    So…what are u fat loud mouth gun freaks ar4e going to do. Keep hiding behind ur computer u losers. You don't have the guts to do anything about it except complaining.

      LYSOLMOTOROLA said:
      March 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM

      REPLY TO "LEOSUPPORTER"
      Gun "freaks", as you so intellectually put it, do not hide behind anything. I suggest you go read the Constitution – Start with the 2nd Amendment. The look at the 1st, 4th and 5th._ Then, go to an oral surgeon and have your foot removed from your mouth. As for guts, be glad that gun owners are by FAR the most law abiding people in this country.

      Fred said:
      March 19, 2014 at 9:18 AM

      Ch*ckensh*t govt worshiper trying to stir something up so he can cry to mama leo

      Alex said:
      March 19, 2014 at 10:00 AM

      Learn how to write you illiterate piece of shit. Your point looks bad if you can not take the time to add two more letters to "u" or "ur" to get you and your. Dumbass, you are the problem with America.

      john said:
      March 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

      Are you retarded? You write like a three year old child. Is this how you verbalize your thoughts as well? Traumatic brain injury? I f I were you, thankfully I am not, I would learn how to construct a sentence and use a question mark(?) before calling others losers. Visit the library. Sign up for a GED course. It's never too late to rise above stupidity.

      Rastus said:
      March 19, 2014 at 10:28 PM

      I will wrap mine in water proofing and bury them.

      Susan said:
      March 20, 2014 at 5:12 AM

      Idiot!

    Charles said:
    March 18, 2014 at 9:49 PM

    This store is run by Marine Corp veterans and they need our help to spread the word about what is happening. Tell your friends and visit their website at http://www.aresarmor.com buy a shirt help if you can. I have been a customer of these guys for years and they are really good people standing up for all gun owners rights not just the business. Dimitri (the owner) has said he will stand and fight as long as it takes, and for anyone suggesting they just go elsewhere other than California Dimitri said it best in an interview last month. He said he was raised in southern California and for every pro 2nd ammendment person who leaves CA it weakens the rest of us and that is why he will not run away and will stand up against the ATF even if they throw him in jail.

      David Zimmerman said:
      March 19, 2014 at 11:18 AM

      Here's what's wrong with what's happening. We are being picked off in small pieces. When the State seizes your child, as was done in Mass, there is little recourse. When the State raids your store, there is little you can do. When we wait until the agents show up at your door, it is too late for action. There is no organized resistance.
      There is a chance in CT where there are thousands of "felons" who refused to comply with the State order to either register or dispose of their guns. I urge them to get organized. If the agents show up, have your buddies on speed dial and get as many to respond as you can. Publish the names and addresses of those legislators that voted for an unconstitutional law.
      Pass out literature in their neighborhood.
      Take a lesson from the progressives. Make noise.
      Good luck you brave "felons".

    ImJustAGuy said:
    March 19, 2014 at 5:35 AM

    Since when has the Obama Admin obeyed the law?

    daddy_warbucks said:
    March 19, 2014 at 5:42 AM

    A 'federal' employee costs 45% more than one in the similar private sector, now add in the rest of the overhead that accounts for the indirect support structure and coordination of that federal employee and you'll get a factor of X10.

    One dollar spent on a 'FEDERAL' level cost 10 times more than if that same job was done on a 'STATE' level, logic would point to keeping federal government no bigger than our constitutional mandate.

    Now Imagine, in addition, what those 'WORLD' dollars are also costing working citizens. Wiki the UN and see how behemothic it now is and growing and your taxed to fund it.

    Now consider that Obama is cutting funds to our military while increasing funding to the UN/NATO …. and:

    NSA, DOE, FDA, EPA, IRS, DEA, CIA, FBI, DEP, NPS, TSA, DHS, CIA, DNR, USDA, DOT, NFS, ATF, USPP, DPS, FEMA (and FEMA camps), etc., (and growing) federal agencies (each now armed and with their own SWAT Team) becoming predatory towards it's citizens, that produce nothing and generate no revenue but require massive funding from a dwindling, overtaxed private citizen work force. Add in the building, maintaining and provisioning of all those D.U.M.B.s is mind bogglingly expensive.

    Now add in the behemothic UN and all it's agencies, commissions and organizations that also produce nothing, generate no revenue, PAYS NO TAX, but require massive US tax funding.

    Outright confiscation of private citizen's property and wealth is all but carved in stone to feed this federal traitorous monster and it's globalist masters (and you wondered why all those FEMA camps? How else can they fund all these expanding federal and international agency's (UN) complexes, vehicles, salaries, junkets, conferences (parties) BONUSES and pensions?).

    … time to reduce federal to it's constitutional mandate, reign in regulatory, defund the IRS and the Department of Education, re-coup our state's rights, take back federal land -our state's property from the feds), time to take back control of our own waterways and national parks and de-fund the UN, kick them out of our country, claw back pensions and restitution of it's assets.

    Elections 2014, throw out the progressives; RINOs and 'all' democrats:

      Jay_Santos said:
      March 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

      You are a hero. Your ability to articulate this horror is exceptional and educating people about what is going on around them is critical. Keep working on it.

    Voyager said:
    March 19, 2014 at 5:42 AM

    If the agents are show to have acted contrary to the court order, they need to be fired and barred from future work in civil service.

    Abuse of power cannot be tolerated.

      ImJustAGuy said:
      March 19, 2014 at 5:50 AM

      The abuse of power starts at the top: Barack Obama.

        Rich said:
        March 19, 2014 at 6:58 AM

        D*mn right. When he makes it clear he doesn't have to follow the laws, what message does he send to the agencies under his care?

        I think Putin is a scummy facist, ex-KGB unreformed communist, but in a way the coward at the top here is doing the same thing to his own people that Putin is doing to his neighbors: Doing what he wants and worrying about the legality latter.

    sam snead said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:02 AM

    This is just the beginning if the house falls to the Libtards. Get out and vote the bums out of office. This country is doomed if we don't act now.

    GorBud said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:11 AM

    Well here you have it. The complete militarization of law enforcement. It is totally unnecessary and dangerous to "raid" a retail store with guns drawn. Except that is for intimidation purposes and movie effect.

    Two armed agents in suits could have entered the store requested the owner to have public leave and closed the store. After requesting the sought for items and getting or not getting them then execute the search warrant. That is what a civilized sociaty would do but the current "war" on citizens does not allow for common sense. An entire truckload of agents in their SWAT gear could have been waiting around the corner if the owner got out of hand.

    This group of cowards NEED to burst into a retail store like the owner is already convicted and shown to be dangerous. Would love to see a Judge examine the supervisor as to the WHY of their dangerous and cowboy like assault.

    They provoked Waco then killed the women and children living there along with the religious nuts. Guess it is "kill them all" and let god figure it out. Some agency.

      Younis said:
      March 19, 2014 at 6:35 AM

      Spot on. Justice for the tyrants.

      Johanesson said:
      March 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

      The ATF brownshirts should have been shot on the store premises. Every last one of them.

    Guest said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:12 AM

    If this goes to court I hope the American public uses the power of jury nullification to tell the Feds to stick their anti 2nd amendment BS where the sun does not shine.
    This country becomes more fascist every day.

      Rich said:
      March 19, 2014 at 6:54 AM

      The feds don't even follow the law and go in guns ab-lazing and the gun-owners are the dangerous ones?

    Timothy W Lucas said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:32 AM

    I find this interesting since the same raiding party is identical to the party that armed Mexican drug dealers with automatic weapons. The same raiding party guilty of getting an American killed and many deaths of innocent lives at the hands of the drug cartel. Yet they want to terrorize Americans for a completely legal act that is protected under the constitution. It's just really bizarre what they think is right and what laws they "chose" to enforce versus those laws they wish to break. This government needs purged of liberals and radicals. November might not fix everything but it's a start. In 2016 this country needs to take a very hard right because this hard left isn't working out.

      Shamrock said:
      March 19, 2014 at 8:33 PM

      No election….and no 10 elections for that matter….are going to fix this government.

      Government at all levels now only exists to serve it's own self interest…not the interest of the taxpayers.

      Until the people in government (regardless of who they are) are actually held accountable (to the same degree the average citizen is) for the crimes they commit and the wrong that they do….until there's some accountability……it will never change at the ballot box.

      But keep telling yourself that…..

    Younis said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:34 AM

    When a sufficient number of patriots have had enough of the Fedcoat tyranny, our Republic can be restored. Are you ready?

      JackKinch1uncle said:
      March 19, 2014 at 10:17 AM

      Has NOmobama fired all the Generals who oppose his 'leadership'?

        Strider55 said:
        March 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM

        He has fired most of them. But unlike Stalin, he did not have them killed. That means they remain available to lead the resistance when the SHTF. Major blunder on Obongo's part.

        Rastus said:
        March 19, 2014 at 10:31 PM

        Coming soon. The Night of the Long Knives.

      Shamrock said:
      March 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

      I pray it doesn't come to that……but if it does, I'm ready.

      OldSchool said:
      March 20, 2014 at 7:41 PM

      lol ahhh gun nuts…

    D Breen said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:48 AM

    "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."
    "and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
    - Declaration OF Independence

      Gertrude Schtunnke said:
      March 19, 2014 at 9:16 AM

      Funny I was reading that just last night….I showed it to my mother who is 85 and said, "sound familiar?"
      "You don't have to tell me", she replied, "I've recognized the rhetoric and propaganda from the first time around when I heard about it as a school girl…when it was happening in Germany…

    ImJustAGuy said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:50 AM

    Right when you think you've seen it all, here's a TRUE video of an ATF Agent confiscating toy guns because he thinks they can be converted into real guns.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2sWiZ8BizI

    Gill O’Teen said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:51 AM

    We have a man in the White House who amends OUR Constitution and other duly passed and signed laws to suit his needs. His attorney general, the supreme court and especially both houses of Congress have no problem with an above the law regime (a few voices but an overwhelmed minority). These even conspire with it to infringe on freeborn Americans' liberties and rights. Because We the People do nothing about it other than express outrage in the safety of our homes, we give silent assent to these usurpations. The ATF is but an agency of these criminals. Why would anybody expect them to do anything other than follow orders?

      ImJustAGuy said:
      March 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM

      Obama doesn't amend the US Constitution, he IGNORES the US Constitution when it suits him!

    Rich said:
    March 19, 2014 at 6:53 AM

    It's clear the government believes that an armed citizenry is the enemy. Yet, we are suppose to be okay when the feds don't follow the law?

    This is precisely why the 2nd amendment is in there. The founders knew that a disarmed citizenry is subject to the whims of a government, especially when said government engages in tyranny.

    IraqVet04 said:
    March 19, 2014 at 7:08 AM

    Isn't terrorizing women and children the specialty of our militarized Federale' police forces? I wonder if they found Eric Holder's name on that customer list? And it's not a real raid if they didn't shoot the owner's dog.

    Gas Passer said:
    March 19, 2014 at 7:40 AM

    I bet those trigger happy AFT agents had a hard-on when they busted this gun store.

    cleo48 said:
    March 19, 2014 at 7:48 AM

    So uh, will the judge who rendered the ruling charge the ATF with contempt? This is stark violation of Federal and Constitutional law without a modicum of restraint. You Libs that sit around and think you'll never finf yourselves at the business end of these agencies had better thing long and hard about it.

    guest said:
    March 19, 2014 at 7:56 AM

    There goes the rule of law. And the Feds fired the first shot.

    Gstefan said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:02 AM

    Every ATF agent on the raid or who authorized the raid should immediately be arrested for contempt of court and the leader should receive the max penalty. But I doubt the judge has the gonads to do it.

    jakee308 said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:06 AM

    Anyone who conducts any firearms related business over the internet or with a business should expect to be exposed to the government.

    There are ways to conduct ones business with out this exposure but it takes patience and time and skill and of course money.

    You are not dealing with a government that obeys the law. They believe they are above the law and you are their subjects.

    Act accordingly.

    Tony Moschetti said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    Now do you know why Edward Snowden has become our corrupt, lawless government's public enemy number one?

    We are rapidly becoming a Third World police state, where the "thugs with badges" can break into your home, or business with guns drawn, and despite a court saying NO! OI just read another article where the Gestapo broke into a man's home with guns drawn because the owner had a TATTOO of a gun on his chest.

    It used to be that the only lawless thugs were the criminals, but now more and more the ones who are SUPPOSED to protect from the criminals, have become the criminals, but with badges!

    Me Them said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:11 AM

    The applicable part of the Constitution here is Article 3, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them…"

    The gun and badge thugs executing this raid will be held accountable for breaking their oath to the Constitution and for treason.

    The Four Rs
    Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying, quit playing
    Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
    Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
    Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.

    rdenisw said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM

    BATFE is seriously out of control, an unlawful agency run by the corrupt Holder DOJ.

    This news story is much, much more accurate than most in the MSM, but there are still a couple of errors: 1/ Where the article says the 80% lowers are "questionable"- no, they are 100% legal. This question was resolved in the courts, repeated on multiple occasions. 2/ "According to the ATF" the 80% polymer lower receivers "make(ing) them a firearm and illegal sell"- again, NOT TRUE. This is "according to whoever is making things up out of nothing" at the ATF because there is NO law or regulation in any official ATF documentation that says this.

    It's getting close to home. Oceanside now- maybe your house next?

    Whatchoo gonna do
    When they come for you?

    Molon labe

    Dan C said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM

    Any one remember the "Fast and Furious" operation? I guess they view it this way, "American Citizens with guns is bad, Mexican Cartels with guns is good."

    The elites are out of control, and just like Hitler, Stalin, Tojo, Pol Pot and all the others, first they come for your guns, then they come to take you to the gulag.

    merlinmedic said:
    March 19, 2014 at 8:56 AM

    Have they returned to court? What has the court said? What has ATF said? And most importantly, what are the California Congresscritters saying?

    Proudly Unaffiliated said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:02 AM

    Obama is trying to pick a fight with whoever will fight him prior to the Nov elections. A violent fight is preferred so gun people make particularly desirable targets. He must have a foil to go against, someone/thing to vilify to get his base riled up to vote. Otherwise, his 'crats are going to take a drubbing and then all Obama can do is play golf for 2 years.

      Fred said:
      March 19, 2014 at 9:25 AM

      Playing golf is all he wants to do these days anyway, he's pretty much already checked out.

    Dr. A. said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:03 AM

    Obviously, the ATF is the new KGB training ground… Let me guess, Obama didn't know anything about it….. right, just like he knows nothing about ObamaCare except when he's lying to us… He probably doesn't know anything about the 16,000 IRS/ATF attack-America agents either….

    KJPS said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:10 AM

    I REALLY hate to say this, but there needs to be a shootout. People (including law enforcement) will have to die before this trend ends, and those injuring or (heaven help us) killing law enforcement need to be exonerated to set the precedent that it is okay to stop government from violating individual political rights so crucial to a free society.

      Strider55 said:
      March 19, 2014 at 5:15 PM

      An old precept of British common law is that a LEO attempting to make an unlawful arrest (without warrant or probable cause) is no different from any street punk, and such unlawful arrest can be resisted with deadly force. Currently only ~12 states have this law on their books; all others need to adopt it.

    Reader11722 said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:12 AM

    Feds, ignoring murderers and harassing legal business owners, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.

    They violate the 1st Amendment by caging protesters and banning books like "America Deceived II".

    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by allowing TSA to grope you.

    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars.

    Impeach Obama.

    Last link of "America Deceived II" before it is completely banned:
    http://www.amazon.com/America-Deceived-II-Possess

    jdog said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM

    they don't care about the warrant or pressing charges. All they wanted was the customer list. They got what they came for. They don't want to go after the manufacturer who have lawyers and resources on stand by. They want the lone individual without resources. Welcome to Amerika.

      JillyW said:
      March 19, 2014 at 6:23 PM

      I agree with you – it was the customer list. The poor law abiding saps are the ones who will hear the banging on the door when the Nazi hammers really come down.

      We used to think Nazi Germany could never happen here…we were wrong. People will look the other way while the targeted demonized ones are destroyed. When the useful idiots figure it out it will be too late.

    Harvey Noble said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:23 AM

    Contempt of court, has the judge issued arrest warrants for the offending civil servants?

    danske said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:33 AM

    The Border Patrol are instructed to give ground and use non-lethal means when armed invaders cross the border; But the BATFE and other Federal agencies will invade legal, law-abiding businesses and homes with guns drawn.

    william penn said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM

    The once-proud ATF has morphed into Comrade Obama's anti-Second Amendment thug squad.

    Thomas said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:43 AM

    Building an AR15 from an 80% lower requires a fair amount of skill and work. It is perfectly legal and does require a serial number. This is for personal use only. The ATF has for years made the rules up to suit them, often reversing course on previous "policies". They are known to stretch their interpretation of often vaguely written laws. This has always been worrisome because running afoul of the law as they interpret it can cost you ten years in prison. In this case I believe they are suggesting the polymer lowers are made up of multiple parts when, in fact, the entire lower is made of two different colors of plastic to facilitate knowing how much plastic to take off. The plastic is one solid piece. I have worked on such a lower and I can vouch that these are not two parts. For the ATF to arbitrarily decide that this lower runs afoul of the law is ridiculous. Firstly, the law says nothing about the lower having to be one piece. The law simply states the lower must be no more than 80% complete to qualify as "not a firearm." These lowers have been deemed legal to purchase without treating them as firearms with regards to the law. The same amount of work is involved to convert these two color lowers into a firearm and for this reason alone it does not run afoul of the previously agreed standard for an 80% lower. This is yet another case of the ATF making it up as they go along.

      normal guy said:
      March 20, 2014 at 5:06 PM

      Where does it state that it needs a serial number?

      A serial number it pointless unless a record is kept. Since you are making it yourself, and not registering it, what is the serial number for? Why not build 20 of them and number them all 1001?

    The Goblin King said:
    March 19, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    Strange how this laughable violation of American rights happened in the one state that wipes its ass with the Constitution.

    danny rose said:
    March 19, 2014 at 10:08 AM

    What in the world? Our government at war with citizens? Under what authoritY? This, my friends, is called Marshall Law, and is usually instigated by governments to either seize control of a country (dictatorships), or to prevent anarchy. So which is it?

    stevemds0210 said:
    March 19, 2014 at 10:10 AM

    "We did ask for protection as this gets resolved within the court system"

    No, its gets resoved by them taking your stuff, not through the courts. The 'search' warrant was a free pass for the government to TAKE and STEAL whatever they wanted. The 'search' in search warrant used to mean search and not steal. Search warrants have become steal warrants.

    SkippingDog said:
    March 19, 2014 at 10:11 AM

    A search warrant is also a court order, and a TRO doesn't trump a search warrant issued by the court pursuant to a criminal investigation.

    You can't be a law abiding gun-owner (or partial gun manufacturer) is you don't or won't abide by the law.

    JackKinch1uncle said:
    March 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM

    All tax payers are now 'Jews' to the NOmobama Gestapo(ATF)

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